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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.exjackly.com/archives/2007/how-to-live-on-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Truth,

What is doable does vary significantly across this country.  The assumptions point out that affordable housing has to be available for this budget to even have a chance to work.

Likewise, within the comments, there is clarification that you cannot build a single budget that will work everywhere.  A high cost of living budget (requiring a higher minimum wage) is out of whack when applied to other parts of the country.  Likewise, a low cost of living area - as used in the example budget - will fail miserably when applied to a high cost of living location.

However, there is always an option.  Yes - living in New York and paying 92% of income to rent is a nasty situation to be in.  Yes, higher education is only a dream at that point.  Improving from within that situation is going to be nearly impossible.

What forces somebody to stay in that situation?  Moving to a less expensive location is an option for most people.  There are always exceptions, but people who truly cannot move are very rare - most choose reasons not to.

The most important thing I want to draw from your comments is your key point:


&lt;blockquote&gt;Success doesn’t happen for everyone even when they try really hard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


You do have to work hard at the right things to be successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Truth,</p>
<p>What is doable does vary significantly across this country.  The assumptions point out that affordable housing has to be available for this budget to even have a chance to work.</p>
<p>Likewise, within the comments, there is clarification that you cannot build a single budget that will work everywhere.  A high cost of living budget (requiring a higher minimum wage) is out of whack when applied to other parts of the country.  Likewise, a low cost of living area &#8211; as used in the example budget &#8211; will fail miserably when applied to a high cost of living location.</p>
<p>However, there is always an option.  Yes &#8211; living in New York and paying 92% of income to rent is a nasty situation to be in.  Yes, higher education is only a dream at that point.  Improving from within that situation is going to be nearly impossible.</p>
<p>What forces somebody to stay in that situation?  Moving to a less expensive location is an option for most people.  There are always exceptions, but people who truly cannot move are very rare &#8211; most choose reasons not to.</p>
<p>The most important thing I want to draw from your comments is your key point:</p>
<blockquote><p>Success doesn’t happen for everyone even when they try really hard.</p></blockquote>
<p>You do have to work hard at the right things to be successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to add that I find some of the more condescending comments rather irritating. Please be advised that things are different in different parts of the country. Some areas like the northeast and California have insane rental prices and higher education is not affordable to low income workers. I know when I worked at this wage I couldn&#039;t even qualify for a Pell grant or disadvantaged aid even though 92% of my income went to rent and I got no family help. You shouldn&#039;t be so quick to assume anyone who isn&#039;t doing well is some lazy/unmotivated type person. Success doesn&#039;t happen for everyone even when they try really hard. The idea that anyone who works hard will be AOK is a myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to add that I find some of the more condescending comments rather irritating. Please be advised that things are different in different parts of the country. Some areas like the northeast and California have insane rental prices and higher education is not affordable to low income workers. I know when I worked at this wage I couldn&#8217;t even qualify for a Pell grant or disadvantaged aid even though 92% of my income went to rent and I got no family help. You shouldn&#8217;t be so quick to assume anyone who isn&#8217;t doing well is some lazy/unmotivated type person. Success doesn&#8217;t happen for everyone even when they try really hard. The idea that anyone who works hard will be AOK is a myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in New York. In this state there is no affordable housing for minimum wage workers. A one room apt that will only accept a single person is $1,100 a month plus utilities. Add in food and electric bill your monthy expenses would exceed $1,300 a month not including luxuries like soap, a phone or medical care. You simply cannot do it in the northeast. If you don&#039;t have children you cannot even qualify for food stamps or medicaid because they consider a single person at minimum wage to be &quot;too rich&quot;. What&#039;s worse is that everyone in this state has a college degree so if you can&#039;t afford higher education minimum wage is all you can get. It&#039;s like a caste system. Not every person in this situation is a teen, there are many adults finding themselves trapped in this dilemma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in New York. In this state there is no affordable housing for minimum wage workers. A one room apt that will only accept a single person is $1,100 a month plus utilities. Add in food and electric bill your monthy expenses would exceed $1,300 a month not including luxuries like soap, a phone or medical care. You simply cannot do it in the northeast. If you don&#8217;t have children you cannot even qualify for food stamps or medicaid because they consider a single person at minimum wage to be &#8220;too rich&#8221;. What&#8217;s worse is that everyone in this state has a college degree so if you can&#8217;t afford higher education minimum wage is all you can get. It&#8217;s like a caste system. Not every person in this situation is a teen, there are many adults finding themselves trapped in this dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Milli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 10:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good info here, do you think anyone can make some money in this area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good info here, do you think anyone can make some money in this area?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.exjackly.com/archives/2007/how-to-live-on-minimum-wage/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 05:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In inflationary times, minimum wage does become even more precarious than it is normally.  It is worst when core costs - like heating, food and transportation - are the ones increasing the most.  Those inflationary pressures hurt a lot of people - and not just those at minimum wage.  

As to the other portions of your comment:

	At minimum wage, union dues are useless.  If the union is unable to get you better wages and benefits at this level, what are they doing collecting dues?
	Health insurance costs are rising faster than inflation.  The insurance premiums are not tied to pay, but it is becoming more of a crisis as more and more low wage earners are being forced to drop coverage.
	Minimal raises of $.10 of even $.30 do just match inflation and will not raise somebody to financial stability.  Anyplace offering that small of raises is not seeking to help their employees succeed financially


Living on minimum wage is terrible.  It is really only doable as a healthy single person, and that barely.  In more expensive locales, it is impossible.  But it does provide a floor to start from.  

Moving up from that level is a combination of skill, drive and opportunity.  The skill is obtainable by all but a handful of people.  Opportunities are available for almost everybody as well - although they are not always close to home or easy to locate - especially for dropouts and felons.  Drive is the &#039;X&#039;-factor that makes the difference.  People without the drive will wait a long time for any opportunity to come to them.  Those with a lot of drive seldom stay at the bottom for long - even if they drop back there more than once due to bad luck or poor choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In inflationary times, minimum wage does become even more precarious than it is normally.  It is worst when core costs &#8211; like heating, food and transportation &#8211; are the ones increasing the most.  Those inflationary pressures hurt a lot of people &#8211; and not just those at minimum wage.  </p>
<p>As to the other portions of your comment:</p>
<p>	At minimum wage, union dues are useless.  If the union is unable to get you better wages and benefits at this level, what are they doing collecting dues?<br />
	Health insurance costs are rising faster than inflation.  The insurance premiums are not tied to pay, but it is becoming more of a crisis as more and more low wage earners are being forced to drop coverage.<br />
	Minimal raises of $.10 of even $.30 do just match inflation and will not raise somebody to financial stability.  Anyplace offering that small of raises is not seeking to help their employees succeed financially</p>
<p>Living on minimum wage is terrible.  It is really only doable as a healthy single person, and that barely.  In more expensive locales, it is impossible.  But it does provide a floor to start from.  </p>
<p>Moving up from that level is a combination of skill, drive and opportunity.  The skill is obtainable by all but a handful of people.  Opportunities are available for almost everybody as well &#8211; although they are not always close to home or easy to locate &#8211; especially for dropouts and felons.  Drive is the &#8216;X&#8217;-factor that makes the difference.  People without the drive will wait a long time for any opportunity to come to them.  Those with a lot of drive seldom stay at the bottom for long &#8211; even if they drop back there more than once due to bad luck or poor choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say that employers give pay raises often after a year. You neglect to consider the cost of living increases in the year. Here I have had a 30% increase in heating cost in one year. I doubt if a 10 or 30 cents an hour pay increase per year, will do anymore than keep up with inflation if that. Pay raises often come with higher union dues or contributions to health coverage if you are lucky enough to have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that employers give pay raises often after a year. You neglect to consider the cost of living increases in the year. Here I have had a 30% increase in heating cost in one year. I doubt if a 10 or 30 cents an hour pay increase per year, will do anymore than keep up with inflation if that. Pay raises often come with higher union dues or contributions to health coverage if you are lucky enough to have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

I understand your pain.  It was less than a year ago I was unemployed myself for six months - and the economy has gone down from then.

From your brief comment, it sounds like you are doing what you should be doing.  It is frustrating that it has not been enough yet.

With a degree, I hope you are looking higher than minimum wage.  Regardless, if you are doing everything right, the situation you are in is not permanent.  

The advice I offer is to do your best to handle the frustration, don&#039;t let it make you desperate, and keep on trying.  It will eventually work out.

If you want to talk more specifically about your situation, respond again, and I&#039;ll follow up with you outside the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>I understand your pain.  It was less than a year ago I was unemployed myself for six months &#8211; and the economy has gone down from then.</p>
<p>From your brief comment, it sounds like you are doing what you should be doing.  It is frustrating that it has not been enough yet.</p>
<p>With a degree, I hope you are looking higher than minimum wage.  Regardless, if you are doing everything right, the situation you are in is not permanent.  </p>
<p>The advice I offer is to do your best to handle the frustration, don&#8217;t let it make you desperate, and keep on trying.  It will eventually work out.</p>
<p>If you want to talk more specifically about your situation, respond again, and I&#8217;ll follow up with you outside the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree, this example is simplistic in many ways. There are few people who are healthy and have any skills that will stay at minimum wage for a long time.&quot;

Bull. Those &#039;few people&#039; are the lucky ones anymore. The economy is so lousy I can&#039;t even get a min-wage job to start with. I&#039;m 20 and I&#039;ll never be able to move out of my parents&#039; basement barring a Moses-parts-the-Red-Sea miracle. Romance (casual or serious) is forever out of the question as are many other things.

I have NO criminal record, I dress to the nines every interview, and I&#039;ve never failed a drug test. I won a scholarship and got a college education...it has done me JACK SQUAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree, this example is simplistic in many ways. There are few people who are healthy and have any skills that will stay at minimum wage for a long time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bull. Those &#8216;few people&#8217; are the lucky ones anymore. The economy is so lousy I can&#8217;t even get a min-wage job to start with. I&#8217;m 20 and I&#8217;ll never be able to move out of my parents&#8217; basement barring a Moses-parts-the-Red-Sea miracle. Romance (casual or serious) is forever out of the question as are many other things.</p>
<p>I have NO criminal record, I dress to the nines every interview, and I&#8217;ve never failed a drug test. I won a scholarship and got a college education&#8230;it has done me JACK SQUAT.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  All of the minimum wage jobs I&#039;ve worked (grocery, fast food, and retail - 1 each) did not stay minimum wage.

The worst was a time plus positive review for a $.10/hour raise, capped at $.40/hour above minimum wage.  It was in grocery, but had I stayed there longer, I would have then been old enough to move into a position that paid more (cashier, stock, etc.)

The others moved up more significantly and all within 6 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  All of the minimum wage jobs I&#8217;ve worked (grocery, fast food, and retail &#8211; 1 each) did not stay minimum wage.</p>
<p>The worst was a time plus positive review for a $.10/hour raise, capped at $.40/hour above minimum wage.  It was in grocery, but had I stayed there longer, I would have then been old enough to move into a position that paid more (cashier, stock, etc.)</p>
<p>The others moved up more significantly and all within 6 months.</p>
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		<title>By: Minimum Wage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minimum Wage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall said:

[b]1. You assume this person will forever stay at this minimum wage. In most cases, employers provide raises (small to be sure) after three or six months, a year and regularly after that– assuming again this your hypothetical employee is diligent at work, wants to get ahead.[/b]



Where did you get that idea?  Most of the minimum wage jobs I have had were flat minimum, with no raises, take it or leave it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall said:</p>
<p>[b]1. You assume this person will forever stay at this minimum wage. In most cases, employers provide raises (small to be sure) after three or six months, a year and regularly after that– assuming again this your hypothetical employee is diligent at work, wants to get ahead.[/b]</p>
<p>Where did you get that idea?  Most of the minimum wage jobs I have had were flat minimum, with no raises, take it or leave it.</p>
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